Jerry Thompson – Audio Transcription

This is Lale Ewan talking with Jerry Thompson today at Hull Heritage First Fisheries Centre on the 11th of March 2025 and the conversation is being recorded on behalf of Seem But Not Heard. So Jerry just wanted to start off with can you tell me a bit about your early life? Right I was born into a fishing family and two brothers at sea. My grandad was lost at sea in the sheepcullock had in 1934. I’ve just had the family treed on and lo and behold the total of five members of my family was lost at sea on the trawlers. The pounds of breweries, the kelits, the porters, Tom Wilson, my grandad and you know I’ve lost a lot of friends as well. From an early age when we told brothers being at sea I used to see every trip when they came home. The salts the war, you know nice shakes, shoals, and fishman salts and you know a girl on each arm and a pocket full of money and that’s what I was brought up to to want. And obviously you know they used to bring us gifts home from sea and what have you so you know I was well looked after as a child and in when I was 15 I had an opportunity to sail with a relation a man. Also at school it was Easter 1971 and I went on a pleasure trip on the Kingston Almondan, the Skipples Jack trip and family relation. I lived out at Wooder and Sea and I was a three weeks of absolute adventure for a young lad like myself and it put me in good stead for leaving school before in summer. Two weeks after leaving school I yeah I sand on the whole trawler Ross Aquila. Now my mother always had the superstitions about fishing because she lost her father Tom Wilson when she was 13. Left behind was my mother at 13. A sister who was 10, Alice and a mother Alice and I don’t know from you know what my mom told me before she died that for six weeks I lived on the lock gates in the wooden hut waiting on every tad waiting to see if the lock had came back. There was no radios in them days and it was all weird of mouth. Have you seen the lock had? Have you seen the lock had? So one day in late match now in 34 the emission man told them look you’ve got to go home there’s no up for your dad and you know it was it must have been a terrible time because there was left destitute. All fishermen in them days and even in the 70s and 80s you lived trip to trip because you could go away for three weeks and you could come on with nothing you could hold all the company money. As I said my mom had a superstitions I remember that that morning I was sailing that talk like in the morning in the Ross Aquila or 16 just left school two weeks and I remember walking up and down my mom’s front window you know waiting for the taxi tour I have and I’ve always said this walking from my mom’s house to the taxi he’s about 40 yards it’s a big green grass area and I left that I left that house as a boy when I climbed in that taxi I became a man. Now the reason I say that is because you know fishermen lived that and you know in life and for the three days I was at home you know sometimes it was a complete blare you know you was drinking at 24/7 sort of things and the beer was a big part of it and I got in this taxi with three drunken fishermen and then when we went down the dock it eventually went through the stores you know you can bag gloves and that which you had to buy your free self in them days this is why you could come home no the company money and then when I got a board I remember being on the ship and thinking good God I was frightened for once I was on my own you know when I was pleasuring my uncle was skipper of the ship but all of a sudden I’m just a ordinary crew member at the age of 16 and I actually thought right Jerry get off the ship and go get I saw some bike sheds on the dockside and I thought right Jerry sneak off get it because I was frightened for once and then I thought on my mother and that frightened me even more so I stated and you know I didn’t want to let me ma’am down because as you know although she didn’t want David or Raymond to go to say let alone myself you know she had him want to go back to me ma’am’s if I had gone back to me ma’am’s I will say this when my ma’am used to see me David or Raymond away she’d kiss us at the door and she’d watch till the taxi drove out of sight but she would never lock that door that night that door was left unlocked it was me ma’am didn’t want to turn the key as though she’s locking us out do you understand and she’d lock it the next night probably and today in today’s society you can do that and I had a sloth starts you always say I went in the Kingston sorry the Rosso cooler then I went in the attic course which is now a museum shipping hall and I ended up doing a trip in the trola called the attic warrior and I’ll be quite honest we yeah I was glad to run off it tell me a little bit about your mom’s house ma’am’s house yes we lived oh ma’am’s house when she was your ma’am lived down Campbell Street when she had David and Raymond and would you believe the one early morning the house caught fire and I would David and Raymond was thrown from the bedroom window because the ground flows on fire and then my ma’am moved into Russell place which is in the town and that’s where I was born otherwise I would have been born on Eselrod so you know I haven’t got that distinction where I can show you know I was born on Eselrod I’ve got the I’ve got the blood in me Eselrod you know blood and what I’ve yeah which is very proud for a lot of us but I was actually born in the town and then when they started demolishing all Eselrod all the estates was being built in all we had an opportunity to move out there to one of the estates but my ma’am went knocking on doors in the local area and we a woman in St Paul Street says she wanted one of the houses on the estate so we moved into her house and she got an house on the estates opposite a pub would you believe which came in very handy Easter adding pub but yeah my ma’am my ma’am was a grafter all alive she was in you know she was wetting a bomb factory in Coventry in the war as a young girl I’ve got some photographs of her with the uniform on the uniform and you know she actually saw the ad-ship of you know losing in 1934 dad because there was no social security there was no nobody to help in them days and I’ve got a newspaper cutting where the you know the bumped into my grandma and she said they left destitute you know like that me ma’am kept a lovely house you know she was a very proud woman and sadly she died early she died young in 1979 and she wanted to be buried with a dad at Iceland now a couple of weeks ago one of the battle family the was lost in 1925 so they’ve just celebrated a hundred years and they went to Iceland and we had a service here for them that the women’s stadium the men went to Iceland because it’s buried out there is Mr. Battle and they came home with a map and it’s the first time ever we’ve seen where Magran dad ships hang I wish I’d have known this in the 70s because I fished in that area and you know it’s because you when when you know somebody at sea you haven’t got a grave and to know that now we know where he is I want to go on a cruise around Iceland to lay a reef because I’ve been up to know the which I’ll come up I’ll tell you about the inflamming shortly the ship holds on what’s saying and it had been a nice comfort for the family because you know when you look somebody at sea this is what we’ve campaigned for for all these years that you haven’t got a grave nowhere to go left flowers and we didn’t have it for long enough in this city and it was a you know it wasn’t the right scene because the you know we lost 913 ships from this boat in 150 years 6,000 trolomon the sacrifice we give to the country has never been recognized you know for what we did and you know as I said I lost five members at sea and I lost two or three down there Manchester Street in an air raid in the world same family and I think you’re how precarious life was yeah how do you think that impacted on the social life when you were back in Hull well this is the thing you know I’ve sailed on a trol and I’ve seen somebody get their amoripto and you know you were tired and you lived that and this is how it was the relief to have a drink when you came on because you know even if you took some cans away we’re it didn’t last long and then I’ve been away 119 days on one ship you know it’s three months and it’s terrible when you know on a Saturday night when you’re up in the attic in bad weather and you think everybody’s at home enjoying the cells so when you did come home you know you didn’t have to get up for work you had you know you could have three days at home or two weeks depending on for you was on a sad land or a trol and it was a free-for-all parties don’t forget you had friends coming home day after day and you’d meet them in the pub so the nightlife was I’ve always said this I’ve got four to you know we’ve got photographs every night was a Saturday night you know because you had 100 people three you know three maybe five ships landing every day and then you had all these fishermen out in the clubs so you know in today’s society where you don’t see nobody in a pub on a Monday night in them days every night was a Saturday night because you took family and friends out you didn’t only just go out with you and your wife and all the crows and all their friends and then you know you fell off fishermen was always in the pub and that was the that was a social life in all that it all revolved around a you know especially this place the community the Essel Road community you didn’t have to walk more than ten yards and there was a pub it was crazy and I don’t remember in the 70s this is I was in the town we will see you was a lot of pubs in the town as well and I remember walking past a big store they’re called Epworths near the city all and I’ve had a good drink that day and as I’m walking by the other trip before this happened we had a film aboard the ship called a great Gatsby now a lot of the troll assaults double-breasted and all like that I saw them you know fishermen used to wear them with the half-mom pockets of police in the back the big belts we’ve done projects here on salts we kept fan one at the moment because of all being destroyed years ago when I was walking past the seppworths when I was in the Sea for each pet role I had a pocket I have a thousand pound it was 1974 a thousand pound in 1974 was creating money I bought an house that year down Ruggar Street and they cost me 650 quid but I had a thousand pound setlings after a three month away and I bought I went in the shop drunk and I said there was a yellow soap a red soap and a green soap and it was all based off the teddy boys but I ordered a made-to-measure soap in green a Gatsby soap and obviously a couple of days later I went away I paid for it there and then and I asked my dad you know will you pick it up for as well I was aware me dad went to pick it up and he got some right funny looks in the tailors when he was picking it up and anyhow I got home and this so it was smart you know I you know I love shirts and so’s and I remember going down dock in this so and the lads was all taking the make-a you know calling me Robyn Oder and all that and and I remember walking in one of the fishermen’s pubs St. Andrew’s Club named after the patrons said fishermen I didn’t know at the time me sister me all the sister Carol was seeing a fisherman you know I’ve been away at three months and I didn’t know as you went into St. Andrew’s Club there was a telephone chaos you know in the entrance and I didn’t know this but me sister obviously told me later that I walked in the pub with a couple of friends and this fisherman’s on the phone to me sister and he said you’re not going to believe this you want to see this idiot or just walked in in the green soap said I know it’s me brother so yeah it’s a it’s got photographs at the bottom yeah yeah the jacket got destroyed the dog at home when children call her the corner of it and it was destroyed but yeah in the in them early days you know a pub was a place to be you had nothing else to do and did all of your friends was a thing to get dressed up oh yeah yeah yeah I’ve always loved shirts and you know I’ve got smart and me as I said David me brother he was married in 1970 I believe and I built even as a school child I borrowed his suit to go to the wedding and I’ve got photographs of that and I don’t believe I do remember going to school in this fisherman’s so a couple of days before I left school because when they’ve been pleasuring before leaving school and you where my destiny was and you I had a job to go to well most people did in 1971 in all because you know everybody was involved with the fishing industry and as I said two weeks I had to do a bit of training when I left school down at the North Pole College here and then I was aware within two weeks of leaving school and like you know life was good songs you was in a good shape as I said as I said I went in the attic warrior and I ran off it was a very bad trip she was an old ship and then I signed on the I went in it was a pole down the dock where you know you eat they had ten galley boys there and then number three had become number two then number one maybe in the same day so I was on this bench for about four four days and then the Gabby and the Countess said Jerry you’re going in the troll call the summer set moon now then in today’s society that’s like winning the lottery the top skippers was in that ship you know she’s a you know she’s noticed she won the silver card and the challenge show so I went galley boy with Dickey Taylor in the sunset moon I did a dozen trips and then after Christmas Dickey Taylor said he’s taking the CS4 is there which was another step up you know you don’t get these opportunities a lot in on trollers and then later on in life I sailed in the Hammond in is with Billy Brattle I will say in the October of 73 I was at Nautical College from Miss Behran’s ticket I was 17 and a half I had the world at my feet you know I was keen to get on and what have you seen for these tickets and I was asked to go away for Christmas 1973 and I signed on they run a colored me outside the office and said look you know come on Jerry will be in good to you we want you to go away in the troll call the inflamine and so I said I okay my mum wants all please it was gonna be the first Christmas I’d ever be away from home we sell three days before Christmas the journey up the North so he was a bit bad at bad weather and the skipper did say for Christmas day we would be approaching the top of nowhere he would take a frozen Norwegian fields we didn’t know it was compulsory to go through there without a pallet it should have picked a pal up and he never and cut a long story short at 10 past seven sat in the mast deck I was in a pair of slippers pair of jeans and a t-shirt the ship’s engines all of a sudden stopped we all started it’s a career in a zone there was a pub open in northern Norway you know in on Christmas day not you know it’s very scarce up there and we ran aground we have a ever-scent mountain about four or five miles from the North Cape of Norway and immediately the ship was thrown about like a Coca-Cola tin in water you know he’s just kicked about she was on drag on rocks there’s a 400 foot mountain above us I remember going on the boat deck and it was sheer panic you know I’ve always looked up to me elders and to see grown men screaming for the wives and kids it wasn’t a place to be and then when the ship’s lights went out we could smell diesel so she’d run to the tanks obviously the engine room started filling with water we launched two life rafts one mid-ships that’s in the middle of the ship and one off the stern now jumped in the one off the stern eventually it was a tortious in the deck to miss that life raft you was dead coming up and the life raft was raising and dropping 15 foot at a time so eventually got in a life raft and the one midship’s over ten with our men in it three of them men was killed in the water that they they’re dead with a cold cudintra and one man got washed back above the Fleming and the skipper was the skipper was picked up in the water he was very lucky when they’ve been at college in the October I’ve just been through a festive thing and you know survival at sea out along to life raft etc and let flares off and that’s what I did although I was the youngest person aboard at 17 and that when the said the cut sea lights obviously people come from other villages the radio operator sadly lost his life that night in the water if he hadn’t got the mid-day call out with it being composed through to other pallet nobody knew we was in their motors we would have all the dad in the life raft that night for exposure and I let six flares out six hand flares off and these boats eventually could see us the red flares and they came towards and rescued us and I’d lost everything only seeing here a lot of good clothes you know so somewhat of it you always went away in the salt that well added and that that sank with the ship personal belongings etc share it’s everything and then we was eventually took to hospital in Amethyst Hospital and we flew on on the 28th of January I went out that night into one of the local pubs it was scamped everybody went in scamps in them days it was a brilliant place underneath scamps it was because scamps was on the first floor there was often brows you know a beer killer I never have like them big glasses a beer you know no it’s not my thing I’ve only been in often brows ones but my place was scamps I remember going in a new little bit at the door man anyhow they let me in and I remember being stood out the bar and then as a ten there was a blonde daddy the lab running towards me good looking little had an old cow striker and he was screaming you know because he’d been at college with me in the October and you know where he said come on all the labs and lasses are in the corner and we had a great night that night we went back to a party in Jipsoville which is at the top of our Esel Rod and then every day after that I used to meet Cal in the local pubs around here now I used to come from town down here and to walk in the pub and then somebody said oh there’s one of the crew there the inflemming one of the survivors it was free for all fishermen was proud to come across gives a cuddle they used to hug you and say right you aren’t right son do you want to drink life was like that because you know we’ve seen six thousand men from Esel Rod diets and they felt proud I should imagine that they felt proud because they wanted to be a part of yeah because you know they knew what had gone from 17 of us survived that night that’s that disaster and yeah we cow I met him every day and it was every night out all day it didn’t cost me a lot I was put on survival payer by the company I could have stayed on for months and months and months and I had to go to a border trading quarry because laying the flares off I was part of the disaster she always say and then when the finished with us on the 5th of January in the sense that she was done at the border trade I was released you know as I said I was on survival pay I was on a wage every way I’d lost all my stuff about the Fleming and then on the temp sorry on the 12th of January I’m on the Doc Wickel some friends was settling just come on from saying and the Amandini’s the Daniel Trola Billy Brittle he was the ship was sailing and it was a state of the actual ruin them days so I said to Cal will go aboard because it’s the same company as the inflemenship and then you were fuel guys Kett Bradshaw had sailed with a lot he was on it so I went down we had a fuel sat in his bath having a fuel cans so the dreaded noise you know everybody a show was going the show the ships ready for sailing but the guy who said it shouted oh the decalander hasn’t tailed so Kett Bradshaw looked at me and I went don’t you dare don’t you dare now then I’ve been about this trola brand new trola for half an hour and when I had a look around you know the accommodation the galley and I thought Jesus to be in a ship like this must be absolutely brilliant so as I said back down in the bear Kett pointed at me come on he said for me so it will goes out the bear for goes up on the deck and Billy Brittle was stood there the ship’s skipper and the ship’s ruiner so answered that when we got bought on Kett Bradshaw said to the skipper he there skipper he said the decalander and turned up as he went no he hasn’t he needs to get a new company as well because he had the power to go that didn’t bill it was a chakra out of all the port so he said well Jerry’s decalander he’s just come out the inflamming so Brittle 10 to me and says is that right Jerry you wouldn’t be inflaming I went yeah you want to come with us so I went yeah so the rain is the put me in a taxi but before I could as I got back on the K I said to Cal come here see you next treatment Shookies Anne they sent me to stores in the taxi that was a lasso so Cal I said I’ll see you next treatment they put me in a taxi I went to stores insurance paid for all my new clothes waking clothes so I got all that took me to me mother’s I ran in my mother’s my mother didn’t know what it is I was in the house about 30 seconds I’m going in the almond innies I thought I’d won the lottery well I did it was the shit to be in you don’t get that offer every day so I was in my mams house a matter of minutes I grabbed a lot of stuff some of my brothers stuff and they took me to PA and the almond innies was waiting in the river for me and then we sailed now then in them days if he caught 2000 kids it was a good trip that trip in the almond innies we caught we landed 4,490 nanking and we brought the well record it’s in the papers I’ve got the cut-ins it was a well record that a ship would caught fish anywhere and we made 73 and a half thousand pound I remember George Palmer he picked up a hundred and odd pound and I bought a house that year for 650 so it just shows you in 19 days you know a lot of the crawl you know ends a lot of money with it being a new troll I said when I went down to settle it took two days a troll are always landing one night it took two nights to unload it I went down to settle on the second day the cameras was you know well record and interviewing people apparently I was a I used to pay a decalener out of all at the time and they said oh you’re gonna be home eating hand is there you know we’ve been in your trailer now to strip the engines and some teeth in trouble is with the ship so I thought brilliant out every day and you know I remember that was the well ended on the third and the fourth for February I remember on the namp for February those discussions going about about the girl she hadn’t radioed in and you know I was one of the biggest critics oh she’ll be all right big troll I like that you know bad weather you’re at a rariels will be down etc etc not giving it a second thought and then things started to get serious and now on the 11th for 12th I was in scamps on the night people was talking about it and I could see a disturbance at the bar somebody screaming and I looked and I could see it was Carl’s girlfriend so I thought where is he you know I’m looking around in the club where is he so I goes over to it and there was a kid stood next to it he was crying as well and she’s screaming Carl Carl Carl I said what’s going on what’s going on where is he she said he’s in the goal and he my best mate Carl over bumped into all that night in scamps he wants put his arm around me he said to me your ma hero Jerry you’re one of the survivors I settled on the 12th in the Andin is as I said and he sailed on the 21st in the goal and he was lost and he where we’re sat here now he lived about 20 yards away in Eaton Street he’s all there and he lost his life at sea I think about him a lot because you know he’s a smart lad I’ve got photographs of him and you know the night life we also enjoy in halfway and rainers in this area it’s nice when you can live in an area like this and have a few pubs around you you know he’ll always be a part of me we’ll celebrate his life every year with the other 36th girl you know those 36th girl loss it was the biggest troll in maritime loss ever how do you celebrate that how do we have outside here cross road is the benches dedicated to the skipper and crawl to benches and there’s a big plan to there where people go up flowers etc etc that’s a lot that photograph yeah and that was one of the setbacks you know I got over it it affected me a lot of the about 17 and a half hours me Christmases was never the same especially the first feel after that and you know it affected me a lot I used to hate and I would never go away for Christmas again and you know it’s always the same at 10 past 7 every Christmas night I opened the canopy to the lands I watch the clock five years ago before covid had an opportunity to go to nowhere on a cruise with my brother and our wives and I actually went to meet everybody in Orleans vogue in Northern Norway or rescued me and the story is what those telling us there was one lady there she cried all the way through the afternoon she was a radio operator in Norway and she received our medical from our radio operator and I met the guy who was but he was telling me he was walking back to his house at 10 past 7 like Christmas night and somebody shouted to him this is a shipper ground at the other side of the mountain have a Sunday so like it’s got a village near it but about six miles to go right round and he ran to his boat and the mooring ropes it was that cold the weather the mooring ropes was frozen to the ballads he had to get an axle and cut his lands to get out the abbe it was a great great celebration you know to meet them all still alive after it was 50 years nearly you know when you then are now and you’ve gone to the boat ports other than Hull yeah like Norway or Iceland do you see connections between the way people communities yes yeah oh yeah definitely well apparently this the Finn Marshall Robinson the the birds are out there with all the lost trolling them and we there was on the field Marshall Robinson a hundred years ago there was six old crow but there was 20 odd Icelandic people and she sank off Iceland and and up and coming we’ve got forchard skippers coming to see us Icelandic skippers so the camaraderie the respect although we had the the day I left Skoll we was in the third cod wall the industry was adding realize by 1980 the industry had finished because of the cod walls and the restrictions in fishing areas but yeah you know when these other Icelandic skippers came last year I said to them can I have my potatoes back what I throw at you gumbo because that’s all we had as fishermen I won’t gonna throw a fish on because you know I was trying to undo what we suffer anything but things have changed now you know there’s a lot of water under the bridge shall I say and the respect now and even you know when I left fishing in Nant that my last ship was a serious forest there I was mackerel in in 1980 that was the last trip I did on the whole trolley I became a fish buyer at Skabra would be so I had that connection with the fishermen there as well you know the respect because it’s like the Premier League you know the big boys of the Premier League this is what all was all in Grims Bay and Fleetwood and then you get your inshore boats but they know they knew that the weather up there you know and what we went through it shows you that by the amount of people and do you so I’m thinking about the community on Heswell Road and going out Oh yeah you see similar things in Grims Bay or is Heswell Road kind of quite quite different well as you know as well road I’ll be honest with you there’s been incidences in on as well road like Avallock Street annual somebody would left the front door open all night and nobody’d go in your house you know what I’m saying the respect you know that one of the kids left the front door open all night but nobody’d go in and do well in in Iswell Road it shows you that no there was no government help when you lost somebody at sea when you was lost at sea your wages stop that day there was very little compensation you got your holiday pay money I’ve seen that because we have the holiday pay cards but everybody else everybody else and I don’t know through doing interviews myself with various people that the stories I you know I’ve got of I’ll tell you one classic example a 72 year old man came in I was sent to one day and he said he’d seen his dad’s name on the board so I said right you know I knew his dad at dad so I said give his name so I got him sat down and we got talking so I said what happened to your dad he says it was washed overboard when he was two-month-old so naturally I said to him straight away well you what have a memory you dad he was two-month-old he said memory I’ve never seen a photograph ever in 72 years I said would you like to have a look at this TV screen I had a photograph of his dad from the newspaper what happened 72 years ago and to see a grown man cry and all his thoughts was to go show his kids and grandkids how proud you know because he’s been worshipping in his head this great man all sacrificed his life to put a fish and chute dinner for the nation on the plate and now we had a photograph and the obituaries I give him them a note and I don’t know there’s a few incidences in the hole where the trouble with fishermen we had some big families I think you know you talk about the new gloves and the battle it’s you talking 15 kids you know I mean and I don’t know of a couple of incidences where the young children was passed to win laws and nothing done officially but brought up as their own as a there was the man and dad you understand and I know cooked two or three like that where that happened where the community pulled together with everybody it’s extended family yeah yeah oh without a doubt I don’t think that you could have seen in any other community the love what everybody had you know in the running a center like this we had 10 people in let’s say one day and within an hour those are related to each other that’s how crazy this do you think that’s why when you’re going out to the clubs and pubs yeah it felt like being around yeah comfortable yeah a while ago I got given a video and it’s a scabra street sorry sorry Strickland Street Wasn’t Street and Walcott Street the three street streets here commonly known as Fair Fork and Charity that was there and this is a reunion of the families set to set your year ago 19 I think the video is 1989 and it was at the 147 Club on Spring Bank a place I’ve never been in and it’s a one hour 40 video of all the people and it’s amazing I’ve played it on our sites you know and people have come back me grandads on it me Nana and all like that but to watch it you would never get this today you would never get it the everybody’s dancing with everybody you know everybody saying hello to everybody it’s an absolute video and if you need a copy I’ll get your company it is it’s summer it’s summer else but I’ll have it going back to me green salt there’s about six women in this get together and they’ve all got the same green dress on there must have been to boys this on there’s the road no but address as I say the yeah can I ask you a bit about that when you talked about fishermen suits yeah how did that differentiate from just the bog standard suit yeah well there we’ve been in we’re in talks with a lady at the moment where she’s giving all the funding she’s gonna have a half dozen of us all get her met to measure fishermen so and there you know they’re the different so ordinary soaps he had half-moon pockets plates in the back big belts we’ve had various discussions how it came about and somebody thinks from the cowboy days and all like that and I don’t actually know but there was it was a flamboyant symbol shall we say of wealth in a certain way because you never always had money but it was your way of broadcasting now I don’t know the fishermen have lost off and Fleetwood that you know going back to my green salt they used to have bright yellow ones and the teddy boys it was similar to that I’ve lent so much from Claire who’s doing all this she you know and all the pronouncing nations of all the buttons and the gauntlet at arms and all like that it’s fascinating but you know the women used to pawn they as soon as you went to say they used to put in pawn and used to get cast and the day before you came on did get it going get it back out so you could wear it some fishermen had a lot quite a few souls but it’s very hard to fan one nowadays we’ve had we had one made a while ago what sort of materials it you know no well I’ll just be cotton and whatever you know it’ll be in today’s I think if you met him today it’d be you know and fat you would stuff you know that you’re on that one and all that and the colours have to be bright where they are yeah those yeah that that was another thing you know you never although waller all comes in here he’s got a fisherman’s jacket part of the soul and he’s black you never saw like that there was always light gray light blow very smart always swed shows and times out with ten white shirts obviously I’ve always been a shit guy always white shirts or they sometimes happened like yeah but then as I say leaving school in 1971 it was the it was a what’s the call it wanted the the error of you know David Bowie sweet mud and all the big colors around colors and that changed it slightly that changed it slightly from the all style of the 60s unfortunately I’ve slept school in the 60s but I missed all that you know and luckily we’ve got 500,000 photographs on our file and I’ve got all the fishermen with the salts on and the wild wide bottoms I know a bell bottoms was around about 1973 and everybody wore them and obviously the young generation of the 70s they sort of shied away from the salt so a lot it sort of died out after me leaving school to be quite honest because obviously the older gentleman who passed on you know they want there to to be seen in them but yeah there was some it was all you know and especially in summer you were just a share or a jumper or whatever but it was that mentioned in town go did you go anywhere else when you’re shopping for you six and yeah yeah yeah well as I say West all those are the place and personally we believe in school one of the more modern shops was clothing house which you’ve got 500 yards yeah and that’s where I got a lot of master from because it was that you know that area of the pop music that ran colours you know checkered shirts and I remember getting a light blue jacket and trousers like it was a soul matching and it was like a real nice blow but all the edges all the way down the legs at white stitching and it was a one-off it was you know I never saw another like it and I love that that was great Oh I don’t even know could you do it yeah we all had long hair you know I’ve got photographs of myself and that sometimes I’m embarrassed because I had long hair you know use away for 15 weeks you didn’t have a barber out there when you used to go away for 15 weeks unfortunately a lot of fishermen want the ad-gene was out the window so I think they never used to get shaved for 15 weeks or cut the rear a little longer a shower and as you was coming down the home by coming home you’d walk down the alleyway and somebody’d come out the shower I was at a shave and I think what the hell’s that it was like that you’d turn around say you’d need the voice you’d know the voice and you think good card you know because they’ve had a beard like chattelton and that’s all they would either get a shave before he went out would it oh yeah yeah yeah yeah a lot of fishermen unfortunately one very good with elf you know ad-gene actually although we had you know modern ships I was in we had showers and everything and my other some ships before my time used to run out of fresh water there’s no drinking water for days coming home do you should run out of food so you wet fish for dinner breakfast and tea so you know in them days you can’t go you’ll tell pace around like that and a lot of the guys as I said you know I was like a crow tramps mr. Smelly and all because don’t forget you had two man befs but in the olden days you had eight man befs imagine eight men in this eight men sleeping in the same room on a fishing trolley you won’t believe it you won’t believe it so I just wondered so you mentioned scamps was the place that you were like where about some scamps scamps was it caught fire would you believe it’s a car pattern when it has been since then there was scamps that was down George Street there was Bally I to George Street in town yeah there was Bally I which used to be Malcom’s before it was Bally I there was again is that in town yeah that’s just along from there it’s a comedy club now you know if you know allies there was the various pubs there were some pubs like you know you won’t go in I didn’t go in town but a lot but all the fishermen did was that in town that’s in town it was near the monument in town it’s just a small pub it won a big pub it next door was sat San Ringham I used to go in turn is a lot Freddy Foster an ex-person on a trolley he had he had Tony’s now as a kid when me sister married Kenny Butler the fisherman big family from Gillitt Street do so parties at my mam’s and I remember I used to have a little tan side I was sick all the bottles but Tony’s the next day I was on a real good thing and then it became one of my best pubs I loved it Freddy Foster I remember being in there one day west for where you know I’m in so much drink and he said come on you may stay here and don’t forget in them days when I left school the pubs opened from 11 to 3 then seven while after 11 11 o’clock and it won’t until you know the 80s at the extended the drinking hours but on a Monday in all I don’t know if anybody’s explained this to you it used to be market day at the you know all the livestock in the town and builders used to be up and all all Monday afternoon so everybody used to rush to builders or transport club because Tony’s in town the okserman it became the oksman lair that it was opposite transport bus station and we used to sneak into there so we could drink in an afternoon some of the fishermen to know in fact went on the paddle ferry from Pia because their barrels open all day so they’d met the way down to Pia after 3 o’clock there were a couple of trips to batten him back never leave the bar and then go straight back out on the night and you know as you get older you’re drinking don’t want as good as when he was a young lad because I’ll be honest with you some fishermen that could be drunk for two weeks or three days and it was a relief sometimes to get a border ship and you know so how do you think that impacted them? Well as I say you know if I’ll give you an example we’ve got the poem here have you read it the poem what we’ve got yeah if a fisherman go on at eight o’clock on a Sunday night he’d go in his kids a bit his wife and kids the kids will be straight in his kit bag to look for sweets what you bought out a bond then he’s got one thing on his man this is eight o’clock on a Sunday night he’s going to the pub by 11 so it sees kids for half an hour get his wife and go to the pub when he got around there in bed asleep he’d get up the Monday morning which is he’s settling there get up with the kids they’ll probably go to school and he’d go down to cell then it’d be out all there but at the time he gets on the kids are back in bed he’ll get up on the Tuesday morning see the kids to school and they’ll go to school and he’ll go shopping and you know he’s gonna go pub two o’clock on the Wednesday morning he’s back at sea he’s away again so seeing his kids for two and a half hours in three days that happened ten day ten times a year so he’d seen his kids for less than 30 odd hours because of his lifestyle and you know I know it was great when pub sat around kids in and all like that but you know I’ve had all the stories where the kids used to set outside of a pub while the dad’s inside and he was sending bottles of lemonade out and crisps and goodies and that’s how society never saw your kids grow up you know I mean our David he’s got about 18 grandkids you know and he had four he’s got four children old David and he tells you you know he spent a lot of time that’s so you know he said he never saw them grow up you know you blink your eyes and all of a sudden you see you’re gone you know because you’re out you’ve got to pay the rent and the letter at the gas it was and it wasn’t very well paid at that and that that that was lifestyle where pub was a big thing I loved halfway rainers St. Andrew’s Club you know there’s a lot of pubs obviously what up and now lying that’s flats yeah you know and you talk me through a night out on Hazel Road what would it be like and I out well we’re living in town I’d go to taxi up here to halfway meet Carl and the lads and then it’s out of the Jupserville Tavern and then especially when you know other friends and they’re just landed you know which pub to be in Tim Brown’s Snoker Rainers Rainers I’ve had rumours it was one of the first pubs in England to take a thousand pound in the day because of the crows what you always do and you know don’t get me wrong those always conflicts in the in the community and I will say something I’ve seen it many times and I’ve been involved in it my son if you had a problem with somebody you’d go outside the pub and sort it out and then go back go back in and buy each other a drink I sort it out well we find it yeah and you know there was a lot of tension show us a between the wives you know at home and what have you and those you know there was trouble but there’s some right characters in the pub you must have heard of Dylan jet Dylan jet right Arthur Denton he was lost that scene there and he used to go into Rainers and in them days the women you’ll sleeve the babies outside in prams and he used to swap on the ballot it’s a well-known documented fact it goes what the kids in the prams and the the the tatters you know the Austin cat people who did all the scrap metal and everything he’s reportedly took one of the horses into the pub he unshackled it and took the they are sent to the pub it’s also tend them round you know when it’s a horses in its role is he took one out and faced it the other way and he was a character he’s a well-known character in the pub I mean discussions hopefully one day we’ll have a plaque in there for him because it was such a Dylan everybody new Walter Denton Dylan jet the colding of rainers then you had like a guy called Pigeon Smith always in there and I don’t know exactly but they say oh they had a skippers room at the back the street club was on as a road not a skippers and mates used to it was the higher rank people what used to use that but halfway I’ve always loved that for it’s a bit of special pub to me obviously that’s still there yeah what did it look like before was it yeah yeah they had you know a snow good room and a bar it’s all one thing in Earl one now where rainers it they’ve still got separate rooms where the people used to be but that with half where they knocked it into one you know we’ve got a big fisherman’s mural on the wall there I don’t know if you’ve seen it I didn’t use millers a lot or orphan I’ve been in them obviously and it was a fleeting visit you know we’ll go there for one and all I remember being in Kingfisher was a relatively new pub and there was a big family that there was a few families the himes and petis and all like that great people I’m related to some of them and I remember there was three or four of us decalenas with these gals so we we’ve had enough of these gals so we’ve got two taxis to go to town and I remember going in the front taxi and I said to the taxi driver “amping for both taxis” but low zenby amders we’d be like wacky races around town trying to dodge them all these four gals in the back there was four of those and four of them said oh we’ve had enough we’re gonna go do our own thing and then we started to go further a field you know like weather and sea for the day and fishermen and it makes sound crazy but the ritchie was a further north view when you know usually I think we’re mamam and dad it was each pack every year then if you went to weather and sea then if you went to war and sea god forbid if you went to a bridge you was real and that’s how it was because they all have caravans and all like that and obviously it was good because the caravan packs had clubs and it was open all day so was it the similar people did you know people yeah yeah listen I’ve been all of that I’ve been you know you walked on Benadourm in somewhere in the Zaffa vessel road there there is and you don’t have to go far to know people from his old road you know it’s it’s a proud place to have been you know I you know when you look back and you think wow you know especially the community and we’ve lost so many it’s one dead is gonna be none of us left and that’s my weary you’re doing what we’re doing now you mentioned that your mum moved back to his old road was that for the community or no no no no me ma’am she she says she was she as a being was born down Gillett Street where Mazzi’s fish factory is now Avrian Terrace and that was bombed that’s where some of the family was killed then she moved to Walker Street because of that bombing then she met Thomas Wilson then sent Luke Street which is more further on Anil Birod then when she got married to her first husband she lived down just along from here I forget the name of the Terrace and then that’s where the else caught fire Campbell Street Campbell Street Campbell Terrace number two Campbell Terrace assisted lived at number one a younger sister both married fishermen and then she met my father and I’d meet her and but she had to mow because of the fire and she moved to Russell Place Miss Skull was actually ten yards away from me from my from door I was always like what school were you from? Bristol Street then I went to William Wilberforce Serene Ricopa or Clifton Street infants but Serene Ricopa they used to be the same name Skull on Anil Road. Oh I wondered. Yeah well Serene Ricopa I went to was a modern one on it was next to Selio Shultz School on Notre Dame Park used to get a bus every day there but yeah I really enjoyed it when I went away on that pleasure trip I brought a lot of you know the fish fander graph showed you where all the shoals was and I took it to school in geography I was you know I was real proud of myself being you know doing the trip even the teachers I was an expert on fish I remember I remember when I got about the King’s Almondan we’d got to the fishing grounds off Iceland and I said to me and called you out can I go go to him so they got me this gear so I goes out onto the deck and there’s this big thing it was about eight foot long big career thing so so I said you know this is right lad you’ve got a knife to give me a knife and assured me I ought to put the knife in and open it up the liver was just about as big as me you know and I had to curl all out with all my hands and all the guts and the blood everywhere so and then the put an ospip on it and clean it so I said what do you do with that now we said we’re front of the sad without keeping them it was it what we call a jelly cat a jelly cat and you know the times you know as young kid it was an adventure and he was getting paid for it you know you have seen some good things I’ve seen some bad things but on the majority of it all it was all folks are stongharing at home and going in the pub for three days I just wondered about when you were in the pub obviously it was a lot about the social element but also was there music and then oh yeah yeah as I say I’ve got photographs and the young people is the you know a chop board and it’s got every day on and all the groups what are on and sometimes you could go out three nights and see the same people you know because the the pub scene in them days was local obviously you know like roof and the rodents and you know there was some great great people singing does I did have an I did live in lotter now Stambien Street once and it was about 20 ads away from Phoenix Club that was a big place and a lot of famous people Pat Phoenix and all like that they’ve all been there you know I’ve been talking some of the people you’ve been interviewing and they’ve told me you know that is big artists playing in the Fisherman’s Pub and we’ll lamb off on brands on that you’ll have a lot of big artists in them days you know but as I say this was the area and I don’t think you could stand at one end and have a pant in every pub you won’t make it to the end you mentioned Ruth in the redends yeah did you use to enjoy yeah I used to go in Alba in pub but she was so have that and in a little life but yeah she was very good she was very good and it’s wonder she didn’t do any better you know I mean she she was just I think she must have been just happy we’re being local and what have you but there was a lot of artists and Wally what did they call him Wally Pam I think he had a lot of clubs you know and he bought a few other clubs but nowadays you know when you go in a pub anybody can get up and sing can I you know you get all this karaoke I go in town a lot now but I still see all the same fishermen I was out at weekend at a big memorial service and when I went in pub you know so four or five old the old guys you know a lot of them did like town because obviously in them days it was easier to go to taxi or a bus there was San Ringham King Eddy upstairs and then there was coffee clubs you know what you might not have been told about the coffee clubs there was Penny Fave in Gothenburg Vicki Were there the along his or a road? No no not as much as there was in the town there was called coffee clubs and those open after hours they’d open about 11 o’clock and you’d go in and drink coffee all night but there was always somebody to buy off a bottle of bicardi or whiskey or whatever and it was all done on the table and that was the beginning of you know extended night life and you could fall out of there and be daylight next morning and then you know the hours changed didn’t they you know of drinking which made it easier for a lot of people but then coffee clubs was notorious so we said it was Were there any artists or the roots in the redads that you would make a be like to go and see not really no was it part then over some people it’s quite an important part of their night out yeah was it less so for you yeah less so obviously discos was our thing in the glam years of the 70s you know that’s why everybody went in if you went in Bailey’s in town above the court me dad you so out there by the way there was I’ve seen the drifters and all like that Jimmy Ruffin he’s played that that was upper class but scamps was the disco and it was the latest music in the right setting and ballet which used to be Malcolm’s and I don’t I’ve been in Bailey’s a few times I was in there then I sailed in the Fleming with family they had a little disco to it and then you had Lexington Avenue which annual was Mckan or this is it you see when I was even before I left school I was going to pub you know so long as you behaved and you was a man long before you left school you do understand that yours if you went in a pub and you behaved you’d get served you know but in today’s society do you want to see your passport? were there any discos along his or road? yeah well all the pubs you’ll sub don’t remember and there’s not a lot of people I’ve said this to a lot of people do you remember the disco in Craterian upstairs? well I remember it tell me describe it to me what was it like? well Craterian was a small pub over there right and it’s still open today but upstairs is all flats now and the tendi upstairs into a disco and it was ideal because you know it was on your pub crawl and the music it was only two little rooms upstairs not into one with a bat and it was dark do you do one of the most notorious pubs in all those Paragon in town they call it all cheese now and it had cubicles upstairs but the ladies of the night you see those all that but you see those like petitions where you could all sit with whoever you wanted so and that was that was one of very nice place which are right now but Craterian you enjoyed that Craterian was brilliant rainers back room I do remember one night they call it I don’t know why they call it this they call it the skate pound I don’t know why but there’s a room and I was outside one night you know in these days you was talking of a group of people outside of every pub they want no smoke you know you could smoke inside and your Clarice had been sat in there in the disco the Lanledi I’ve gone outside something that happened and I the taxi office next door somebody ran at me and pushed me and I went backwards and I went through the window I went me elbows went first I went through this window luckily I didn’t get a cut anyway I stood up and I thought what I don’t know so I ran back in the pub well she’d seen it at Clarice she said sit here don’t move because you know I won’t even say you know so that Joey long-thoning them days was well known on Azelrod you know the instanta and he used to get up in rainers when the disc goes on and sing and it what karaoke wasn’t a big thing in them days although a few fishermen I know Kenny Butler unmarried me sister he thought he was always and he could seem like and he’d get up in St Andrews Club and sing but they want the free open mics sort of thing what you get now I don’t know I’ve been to a few parties upstairs in D Street Club and it was a hell of a room it was huge but there was just events they want no music and but when you look back on these photographs you can see some of the names of the girls and you know they’re they’re long gone you know it weren’t the one the best singers in the well I don’t think but you know what’s ever come from our city beautiful south and that’s it isn’t it full stop done did you think about Clarice you mentioned Clarice yeah was she quite a matriarch did you feel yeah and so was Val from Tony’s and the lady with a big bun she was well respected by me because it was to be quite a male heavy clean tail often yeah well there was Terry Skeleton he was a bit feminine was Terry but he if ten of you went in as a family then you’ve only got to tell him once the round he’d remember it you know it was very good did they do you think it was a fly Emmene where that’s it fly Emmene where she she wet in Tony’s for a while she wet in a few pubs in the town but she was a darling of a woman you know she was real polite real respected yeah she was spot on was yeah was it important that the bar made or the barman was part of the community oh yeah of course of course you know even today when you go in the pub and if you know somebody you get several a lot quicker don’t you and that was a patty ambiance shall I say you know because you’re going some pub then you can be you know you get fit up away in but when you knew the bar staff it was a lot better because obviously being trusted in the pub because there was always trouble now and again and people being drunk but if you knew it was it was like doing the manager of a football team proud to know him you know I support many native and animal Alex Ferguson now Alex and all that a bit of like superstar like fame about yeah yeah yeah I mean me it’s got a you was Alaska to have a D Street club smashing guy you know I mean and even now when I’m going town you know I’ve got to know all the people behind the bar and it’s at least you feel a part of it all that little community now imagine as as a road in the 70s you know and that’s how it used to be and don’t forget from the good town and the bad times will have been fishermen where the Vlermab Bia and not pay me an extra no like that that will have happened without a doubt there was a back door place you could go to down West Rock have oiled oils you’d go in then take a couple of cases and you pay for it the next trip you come on but long but only if you never you never got it again you know you’d be backlisted and what have you but there was a lot of that going on the opposite rainers on the opposite corner there used to be money lenders stood there and you borrow money but you had to pay them back the next trip and then don’t forget if you settled in debt you’re in you had to borrow money from the company to to make so you could survive while you was home till you went because the old time you was at home you’re not on pay you know only when you went and bought the ship again no you could be home for god knows if the ship brought down you won’t be on pay you have to go sound the door I can’t imagine there would have been a lot of tensions because of that yeah how did they manage that within the pubs I’m thinking well whenever you saw a bouncers yeah we never use our bouncers and you’d always get somebody who was in the pub you know it was a bit of an Andy Lad and he’ll sort of try and sort it out and this is what the community did we sorted it out between ourselves it wasn’t up to the bar no no no because there’s a lot of band-made the band-made won’t go out but you know I know flow Emmett and Clarice they were stunned people as well as you had to be you know they couldn’t show their weakness and you know obviously if they say you’re bad you’re bad but there’s no bouncers no you know and I’ve seen some right fights I had a rain as and what have I and you know tables going over and it caused a problem you know because especially the young lads you know just left school going to pub drink 10 pants and I’ve done it with my son fell asleep in the pub and you know if somebody knocks a table over in them days it was a bit of a problem either you got the beer backing or the bit trouble yeah yeah could it be a bit of a bit slightly scary a little bit nervous you always feel free yeah well it was like sailing on a trolley you sometimes you got some a guy always a badon you know and a bully boy shall we say and you know I’ve sold with him and you’ll always get another fisherman saying I pack it in leaving alone you know because and that happened everywhere there was bullying going on all the time and it was all to the way rank you know the eye you’re up but you know I’ve sold with the best skippers out of all Billy Brattle’s Dickey Taylor’s and the absolute gentleman you know because there was that good at the job and you had to be good to sail with them and as long as you did your job everybody got a long fan there was I remember a guy he was mate with us and skipper Jack Hackie I remember being in the series Forest Day and having the discussion the day before we docked and I said the next day was me Beth day the day would June the 12th we’re docking so I said I said I’m gonna laugh for a drink if I go home to my mum’s show went well I only lived down Eastman Street I’ll come with you and then Dickey Taylor the skipper you know we’ve got a taxi off together the three of us into the pub I’m stood with one of the top skippers you know only Beth um it’s galley body you know out the time I just left school as I say see it’s Forest Day and you know and then I sell with Jack in the Sea for each petrel and we used to go in St John’s every Friday for the dance you used to create an engine room job so we had to go in and tie up and they used to be told pubs they’re called the status and the forgo go go go they’re called it strip club it was and we’ve had some like parties in your van used to say to me don’t call me skipper we’re in the club but is uh I remember in coming home in the series Forest Day we’ve been in pub all day and summer that happened I think one of his friends had picked him up in his car and his wife Christie was sat in the back and she fell asleep going up and he was one of them up some of the days and he left during the car oh there was a loan but Jack at K he’s one of the lads he was a skipper you won’t think he was a skipper but he was one on the lads and he likes his drink he used to get his own in the barefoot and say get a writing pad out and pen right it was it was been the first case in a ball you know I am and you’d appear for it out your expenses and you used to go for honest without some right parties and and down in the Alses yeah you know that that that was another big thing about the fishing industry when pub just to close at three o’clock people used to go back to their Alses parties there was always parties going on and what’s it in a party where it was it like sing along with the dancers not really yeah there was music you know and we we in them days like Sandy Paws he told me win that you know and then I came along you know in the 71 it was glam rock won it you know sweet blockbuster you know mud people like that but it depended you know I’ve been to parties and the guy had put Timmy Euro or Timmy Euro singing and I never did you know you think turn that and they’ll free be yes or cares you know and you’d get them dancing you’re going dancing in the terrace men and women yeah yeah yeah yeah and that’s where it was it was parties until then pubs started being open all day and then you we found little niche pubs where you could go there be you know you’ll have walkings there was always somebody in court you know for having a walking you know a landlord you know in them days because that’s what you don’t and you know it’s adding its keep a dozen people quite in a pub after hours the police I hear that we’ve had a one of the ex policemen coming here it was it was a Golden Street police station and it was telling me he said that he was in Flintin Street just a couple of doors you know not not very far from here and he was there was a bit of a disturbance going on in the terrace so he went down to see what was going on and he out these fishermen knew we could play a piano so the goury man the piano in the house right so he’s playing these songs and everybody’s enjoying the set and then when he got back to the police station the sergeant said you know we was looking for you these are in the days where communications weren’t like there was today he said we had trouble on the bully vard or something going on a fight where was you when I was in Gypsy Billy I know you want we could eat you playing the piano down Flintin Street that’s how it was the policeman was in the house on duty playing the piano because people are panning them days these big athletes and we’ll see Zia there was the same you know there was and that’s how it was that was your entertainment we used to take record players away and tie it to the ceiling so the ships moving so that the right I’ve been doing that I was in there I was in the sea fridge petrol and Johnny Cannon called me on the bridge you said Jerry bring your record player up and there was a song we was off Bear Island Russia you know that way and there was a song from LA to New York and he loved it so I’m stood on the bridge how old in this trying to keep it straight while it’s playing and he played it to all the fleet it was nighttime because he all the ships rounders and he’s playing all this music and that’s how it was we thought we was posh in the sea fridge petrol we had an eight track cassette you know in them days it was a three hour tier continuous and we’ll set that plane in the factory you know the fish factory on the ship because it was a filleting ship and we had like music the same music every three hours and it got you through you shift music was important oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I like time I remember the full crew of the see if it’s petrol I was in we all had the very best of Sandy Pozen I’ve still got it but yes sweet and all like that it was you know I’ve got all the 70s and it’s funny and you’ll play me a 70 song from 1971 to 1979 you play me a song and I’ll tell you what she posing back like familiar to you yeah yeah yeah I’m in the castle times and I’ll say to her what I was in the sea fridge petrol and this was I was in the Amandini’s I was in the forest there Somerset and he brings that back to you the exact time you know there was a thing this morning on the radio when I was 17 and this woman went on and said oh 17 what year 1917 and so I had a bet I said it’ll be another brick in the wall video I killed the radio star or Chik-ta-tita all them songs came out in 1917 and it’s crazy you know how you remember these things and I remember Chik-ta-tita because that there was a song with me my dad in 1979 but the over-brick in the wall and bugles video I killed the radio star was number one number two for Christmas 1978 so yeah it’s good when I am music and I think I was in the Rastafalga then or the Rosalie on it would you hear the same music then going out as well oh yeah I love some things it’s only in the car all the time all the time you mentioned that you’d have to be passes in the terraces so you’d be like the outside as well yeah would that spin out onto the street elsewhere with all the right like community social oh yeah yeah together outside and me ma’am is when we lived in town there was a lady next door called Doris and they weren’t fishing family but when we had a party we had a big grass in front of us your year was unbelievable and I remember being about 10 year old and we had a party Kenny Baller and his sister him and everybody was there our day he was a fisherman mclandrick he was fisherman molly guns there was there there was a big crowd in me ma’am’s and next door and unfortunately I still remember to this day I was about man the family in next door’s pantry with a bottle of dimple whiskey and I can still remember to this day being sick for hours and hours and I had drunk on a lot of whiskey and I don’t drink whiskey now I can’t since that day I hated it but everything you know you’d go in each other and see yeah and it the party would grow so especially down imagine being down a little terraced thingy with music you can’t help but joining you know and that’s all the community was even their show workers you know some of them had to be up for work some of them was unloading the ships but parties but I will say some was a pub op and that was it everybody was in pub so and then parties when I lived in rugby street we had parties till the early hours we had complaints but after time they’d come in and have a drink and then you know you’d out with respect you sort of calm it down were there any specific days that were important within the Queen and obviously like the desert for myself new years unbelievable I you know I’ve always got tears I know you always for me ma’am and the rest of them I’ve got that many I’ve got more memories of that and in in our day on Essel Road at midnight all the ships in the docks blubler runs at midnight you don’t air it now deals to be hundreds of ships in the docks and there was a tradition in all docks all the ships blubler runs at stroke and midnight and you know for a lot of fishermen it was a I think for myself after being in the Fleming shipwrecked I know Christmas Day has always been a pain for me I’ve not you know I hated it for years but a new year it’s it’s always a bigger family thing for me in your year because of the parties we used to have some big parties your year me and Barry Pierce me and I am about I’m sad yeah everybody used to have got photographs of us all on the grass celebrating your year and as I say across road was East rallying pub and about ten year ago I was in there on New Year with friends and you know my man’s house is across road we’re no longer have it and you know on the stroke in New Year I walked across and I said it was all out on the grasses so I said excuse me do you live here love she said yeah I said can I let you new yearing she said why I said I shall live here I said I’ve got memories of me mum and everything my dad can I let you new year and she let me let me go in yeah yeah and I went back in you know it was I went in the kitchen where my mum would be you know we’ve got a lot memories of that she you know although she lost her dad as I say when she was 13 in them days we lived in the kitchen a lot my dad was a porter at co-op in town he’d been at sleep and she what’s her call that our paperboy used to knock on the back door and give her the paper that was our scariest and that was our radio underside in them days the one the information and don’t forget she lost the dad at the age of 13 and when she saw the first ship sent Romanes in 1968 I was at the kitchen with it all trola missing our David and Raymond was in that area on different ships then the second one right the Kingston peritot and I saw my mum cry holding the paper for the pain what she went for then when the third trola went unbelievable and then shortly after that my mum got the paper and on the back page you had a column where they put the latest she’d read the paper and then tees on for me dad you know what I mean it’s about our past five he leaves that so all of a sudden she’s reading the paper she’d got to the back all of a sudden she started screaming the paper went up in the air what she’d read was the life belt from the whole trola Caesar was discovered at sea my brother Dave was in the Caesar so as a mother she’s thinking Jesus so I runs out let’s go get your dad go get your dad my little sister was with me so I jumped on this little bike with two punches I’m going Uncle Ben Avenue to go to co-op to get me dad and then Sandra has called me back ma’am read up till then the paper went in the air when my sister picked it up it says the you see the rest radioed in everything’s fan so you know that that was my mammal of it you know and it really affected it I will say this when I was shipwrecked when I was shipwrecked this is from my boat this obviously boxing day morning we ran the ground up ten past seven Christmas night in northern northern nowhere my dad gets up boxing day morning in them days the pub was open on Christmas day lonely crossroad ten yards twenty yards my dad got up when in that kitchen smallest room in the house we didn’t know it was a modern house it didn’t have radiators so my dad had put the gases on right put the kettle on click the radio on it was BBC that’s all we had in them days 1970s right they want no radio embersad or local radio or Viking radio or anything we didn’t have a telephone that’s how the pover was we didn’t have a telephone in the hour so me dad flicks a radio on I think I was sat there probably with an angle there having a drink and then the news came on reports that the whole trouble or you’re in Fleming has ran the ground in the night nothing aired up from a so me dad sat me dad tell me this he said I was sat there thinking in Fleming he inflamming don’t forget me to over brothers was fishing so it goes upstairs to me man my mom’s in bed sleep so he said Jane what ships are we’re gerrying straight away me ma’am told me she was awake why what’s wrong he said you’d better up she’s been on the radio she’s missing something’s happened in the night me dad ran downstairs to go across trial David’s house because he lived down God and Avenue across road from us to go because David’s wife’s brother was the co-quivers on the inflamming and my mom said she grew up went into that kitchen and me ma’am says she spoke to her father that morning praying that I was alright an half an hour later to roll out the house and the carpools opened the mission man go out now nobody wanted the mission man anywhere near your house because there was always a carrier of bad news you know the mission men evolved God bless them the great men if they walked down the street you’d pray don’t go down that area stop knock on my door because they came you know like the goal that’s got to 36 families the triple trawlers tragedy 58 families and you know it was good you know the mission man came across and knocked on the door said look you sons are right is in hospital so that was alright then you know them experiences my mom likes a drink my mother she’s going to try to yeah when I used to be a fisherman my dad all me setlings I never had a bambo in them days I’m just gonna dad it me dad you’ll look after all my money and I used to say to my dad silly in it when you think a thousand pounds I said gizetana dad I’m going out my dad didn’t give me a ten of me ma’am you’ll say you’re gonna treat me to a bottle and choose to go across and have a bottle of beer every night you know she wanted to drink didn’t my mom she loved partying but you can understand you know losing her father at the age of 13 I don’t know I think you mentioned before about was it pram races was that something oh the pram races I should say that and women also yeah well we can’t have them now what the pram races signify is that on a Friday all the women used to go down the dock and get the husbands wages now then in the early 70s we used to go and deliver to our house the mams I was on the first what trola I went on was six pound a day a week I was on six pound away and it used to be sent by registered envelope but you paid for the envelope not the company so a lot of women used to go down in the 50s and early 70s for the husbands wages and they’d save money by doing that and it used to be a race to get down there because I wanted the money in go shopping because it was a you know there’s a bread and butter and then when the industry fell apart we sat having pram races on as a road and you can’t do it now because nobody’ll ensure you know because they used to close the road off as a road itself up near D Street and you have races where people used to get dressed up and you know mimic a baby you know like that and they’d describe to me the costumes well obviously a little bit low you know the only use to turn up in the pajamas and you know what I’ve read rosy cheeks and there you know as other a baby nappies I’ve seen grown men running down there’s the road in the make you when we used to sell and you made so your way especially if they got with a lady and the start-aving kids used to said you want to pack a nappies so you pay for a packing up is as you were selling for your mates to come for his new bum bed and as I say the council stopped it because they didn’t want to stop the road close the road granted you could do it down another street but I don’t believe now there is no because there was the run prams and you know what can happen with prams and you’re pushing them at speed with an alcohol was involved so you can imagine that the insurance companies stopped it you could theoretically do it but it would be a lot of money to get insured I don’t think some of the insurance companies tend them down said no no because if you’ll break a leg or graze or you know get knocked out or whatever and trap your fingers in wheels and it happened it happened and it stopped dressing up was a big part of that yes yes yes yes I’ve been I remember being in Phoenix Club one one there what’s called it one Halloween and there was a guy there and he was the stood a coffin up and he was stood in it all night drinking this is what they did on a little road you know it they used to dress up as you know you’ve been talking to Margaret and I’ve got loads of photographs of her old in the the when they went that little bit fair that and as you know now you know Halloween and all like that and people get dressed up now it’s unbelievable in it the makeup and all that but they used to do that you know big style you tell me about some of the costumes that you remember yeah well I remember seeing this one like little below you know and each men dressing as women you know as babies you know with big bulbs and yeah but yeah you know I’ve never been into our white hat but dressing up as fishing as well in a pram or a duck solo on a duck solo was what a pro thing in the film the last trip was going to be coming out so on we sent for four duck soaps and the centers for duck so you know it’s a bit of the part of the film so these four ducks in it running around a monument in town yeah that was meant that that was a part of the film do you think the dressing up partly is like a bit of a release of such quite stressful lives and then you dress up for me I have recently been showing people a lot of photographs of the nightlife which I’ve got thousands of photographs and you could always tell the rank of the fishermen by what the wife was if he had a big fair cut on you knew he was a m8 skipper you know or chief engineer the people on the right money you know and the red don’t you know there was immaculate you know I mean and some of these there’s a photograph there there’s a lady on it and she’s a forgoer name now one of these stars of song and what have you she dusty Springfield she looks like dusty Springfield a red don’t in the rare was as important as the costume some of these women but the majority of its handed you know the dressing up was on e-special occasions like that not like it is today you know you give it for Halloween don’t you and they have a 70s you know they might have a 70s night you wouldn’t dress up for the 70s because it was the 70s but the fishermen as I said they had their own identity with assaults and you know the wives and it was a great time it was it was a warm feeling it is now running this place and you know the the support we get and we bring back so many memories that’s why we’ve got a box of tissues again and to show people photographs of the family they’ve never seen before you know and obviously a lot of trolling and a lot you know people were born up to a year after it was done and that’s what happened even with that guy he was born two month he was two month old when his dad went talking to photos I wonder if I show if we went through the photos that you yeah also the project is talking about the artist that was it and I know you mentioned that the drag shows were not something that you tended to go to what were your memories of that kind of performance I remember I’m a man’s man I’ll be honest with you if you want the truth I cringe I don’t you know for the life of me everybody to the wrong thing but to me it’s just don’t sit right with me you know what makes I’ve got a our Blakie you don’t believe it is it’s ten and he’s like Wayne sleep you know when sleep real feminine he dresses up he’s a part of napper in town his own front stage was there last week to watch him doing this cats or whatever and you know I think that’s it’s our killing the arts I say hopefully I’ll get interested in getting else we’d I feel uncomfortable right well yeah and that’s it and there was that in this space and there will have been other people that felt similar to you yeah how do you think that the two worlds existed because before you see you’ve also got a you’ve also got to look at the community in the industry like this that was I was born in 1956 I left school in 71 and my education about women and the sexuality of it all was always us we are all school I didn’t know nothing about women till I was 15 practically and that’s how it was in them days today society is a bit different the girl it educated at school in my day he never spoke about it it was all swept under the table you know the the you know I said some lads you see some of these young lassie I said he know there was nothing like this when I was a kid you know when you go around town and that’s some you know some of these women now around town they can be fair 14 doctors are the 20 you know and I said Jesus Christ you know we was that old fashion it was taboo it was your parents never told you about sex education around like that so this is when I’ve always said this this is my choice by the way you know when you see this green note and on telly and this and these these presenters all talk a bit feminine I think it’s the BBC a famous for it putting them on and it shoved down your throat if you want to be a light bulb no I’m not gonna swear you can edit this if you want to be a lampshade and shove a lamp bulb up your ass get on with it so long as it don’t affect me did you feel the same yeah yeah yeah we didn’t know nothing about girls as before went to see and then I was in a man’s world and some what some of the crows you used to say about girls I think well you know as though it was crawled I didn’t know that you know it was not like it is today no not like it is today and he saw a drag queen was it the kind of over sexualized nature of the performance that made you feel comfortable yeah yeah yeah there was there’s I haven’t seen this video for ages and ages but there was a video on it must have been 15 20 year ago and it’s near Broadway up up in town that was a fisherman’s pool call it propaganda now and there’s this guy having to go at this woman right near the crossing you can see the pub in the background and he grabs a rare and obviously it’s a week so she’s going no no no no no leave me alone then he grabs this week then he goes look at it off I’ve haven’t seen that video for years and it you know he’s going go leave me alone leave me alone leave me alone go away and sometimes he pulled a wig off he I’ll knock your head off and it didn’t see you know I’ve I’m trying to find a little blakey on a year last I’ve looked at this and you’ll see what what I’m gonna build and you know that there was homosexuals among fishing crawls sometimes and they didn’t last long do you know what I mean there was shunned it was a bad thing and because in you know probably the worst job in the man’s world we didn’t we didn’t what’s calling it it didn’t run well with a lot of people I know this is what I’ve always said women women are at home if the with a couple of homosexuals right the node and they’re not a threat to them do you understand in mass this is how I see it but you know where they won’t be with an ordinary guy and that the I think women feel safe with somebody like that you know there’s a guy who works in our lassie’s place and he’s open up and about it he lives of another male and you know they go on like how some fire you know that’s my perception of it that when you saw the Jack Green performances was it was audience did audiences tend to be more women or was it a mix yeah yeah yeah well yeah you must you know if there’s a strip had coming in up we used to it’s like we used to go into brands on Telstar Club and what’s a stripper every every Sunday the bingo was on and all and 99.9% of that crowd was men you’ll get a male stripper it’s 99.9 women now you won’t see me stir out of that not a chance not a bloody chance me lad last week I would down that he went with his wife on a crowd to that bongo bingo in all and he went dressed as a shotgun his wife was a in the army or whatever the American and they put it on before the win and I put really playing bingo at your age trying to belittle him because he’s going I know it’s a great enjoyment because he’s getting dressed up but yeah trying to belittle him because of yeah playing bingo at his age I don’t play bingo so it’s sat and all and you know I would imagine it in all these clubs you had the link bingo it’d be always be the women playing you won’t get a fisherman playing bingo because it had luck as a what playing bingo you’re tight I don’t smell it and then so but it was a space where there were people who were gay or lesbian there were certain pubs and they did you they obviously were able to spend time in on Hassel Road yeah do you think it was the safe was space for that this the space was safe for them because it was like each to their own or do you think there was an element of risk well and all rainers now have drag queens in there now and the place is full of women but I still think that when it used to be the troll fisherman of this part when you know when the industry was up and running you know if you spoke to any old fisherman in the street that said box you know not a chance they had their own little niche pubs shall we say which pubs we get to say well Tony’s I remember this will be about 15 20 year ago me mate Alan I lived up on Branson he said he doing I was at the night chair I went why because I used to run him about I said at new year sometime please say he going out he said why I said well I’ll pick you up early morning you know I’m not having a drink or Christmas oh I thought I used to go he used to do was said to me if I wanted to go out and say pickers up at two in morning from town he’d do it and he rang me up one day said that overall gonna turn is because we knew what his turn is they called it yuxim and after that and it was a pub full of sexual and I remember adding noise said oh from there we’re going somewhere else so you’re gonna have to stay with us for an hour so I said all right and yeah I went in and there was all these people with dresses on and all like that well it’s when smoking was stopped in pubs so I said right yeah I left me at the let me out the bar left me up the bar I ran out the place to win to go stand with my other sick he said oh we’re going out for a fact I went you’re not really me in here by myself he said yeah we’re going for a fact we’re cutting one in here and those are in the pub that put you know one of our white telephone boxes I said I’m gonna get locked in there he said don’t be daft I said buggy I’m so the the walked out and I thought I like kidding I followed him out I stood outside while he had a sick I can’t stand anybody thinks don’t like it and I was trying to stay in there by himself very uncomfortable I’ve sailed with a radio operator who was in homosexual it was it was known he was caught in when was in St John’s he had the guy in his bed with him aboard the ship and eating every good reception he got sack when he got wrong but it was always frowned on you know fishermen and that sort of activity and you know you never see out like that I will laugh I’m laughing for a reason because I’ve just remembered something I was sat in my bed on the ship and this engineer he was a real nice guy and he’d been for a shower so he’d come down the ladder naked but you have a towel here it stood up mad door why what you doing it went the lads keep looking at me tits you had no else on you know and things like that which is a joke it’s embarrassing and I was honest I must have been like yeah I like that a lot of fishermen don’t know no no no no and I won’t ever go pair to watch out like that so if you were seeing a band and I know you’d get a number of different acts on it’s something that you would then go to the bar always yeah yeah anything like that I want if you know if to said oh we’re gonna go see if Mau I’ve turned around said we’re gonna go to rainers and watch going what really get your mates and go yourself yeah not for me and it was like that for a lot of fishermen because we’ll was mature you understand what I’m saying and that’s how it’s always been as far as I’m concerned and I know it’s an entertainment I don’t like watching it on telly you know turn the bloody thing off you know that and yeah not my sorry don’t it’s so I think you should we have a look through the photos that you yeah yeah I’ve been trying to find that one a blicker you’d love it right you’re right take a turn there he is I think watch this

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Part 2

Part 2 recording with Jerry Thompson So we’re just looking at the photos Which one were we just There was one with the challenge cup, weren’t they? That’s Pam Stone I was trying to differ there She was with a guy called Eric Tan and he was a drinker all his life and he lasted a long time with Eric He was a very nice guy but Pam she was notorious on his own road She would fight with Fisherman She was a mad woman and as you can see she was beautiful So we mentioned that she went in a fishing boat I don’t think it was Pam There was three women who stabbled away I think it was the scent Crispin I’m not saying, I’ve got the newspaper thing and three of them stabbled away and the skipper found out and would you believe those gelled when they came home? Yeah, those gelled and Eric Tan was on the ship and all had the Sam There was a few crawl became well known she was saying the fishing community stabbed these women away and she was already pregnant two of them were sisters Oh yeah, Pam’s Pam Stone That’s a band made I don’t actually know their name Who’s that? Chris, Chris, Rayna’s Would that be like an Easter bonnet or a bit of the primary strength Easter bonnet? Yeah, it looks like it, don’t it? It deals with them every year There’s a band made in Rayna’s at one time It was a women’s sort of place one it There’s that Claverish little life That’s… Is that Flour? Yeah, Flour, I mean, that’s Easter bonnet Yeah, talk me through the Easter bonnets, was that? Well, she’s got a Luxe as her She’s got a black and white top on, you know, for all I’ve seen So she will have been, she was a lonely woman there She also got her throat a lot just to get her head done Imagine doing that every day How did you sleep with that? And did everybody, everybody wear the Easter bonnet? Was that like, go out there? Yeah, every pub had every pub there She is again in Rayna’s Absolutely beautiful woman Some of these account Now then, that has to be the challenge cup When Rovers be all I think it was 1985, you can look at your records with that So it did a round of the pubs, the trophy, that was the actual And was there a lot of Competition between Rovers and… Oh yeah, just the list today Camera, camera, camera, adoring Camera, camera, yeah, yeah We had somebody in this issue who said she was born on the east side of the city Oh really? You know, and then North Street away, what you talking about? Oh no, no, no, she said, my dad was a left sea It used to be like that at sea On a weekend you used to ask the radio operator Can you get as a result of the rugby and all like that? Because it was a big thing And I would hate to think How many Four metrolamans ashes are scattered on the Bully Vad And then all of a sudden, they moved to the new KSC stadium I don’t know what people used to be allowed on the pitch You know, it was a mass thing A final whistle, everybody used to run on to it And I know people have had their own little serum And he’s scattering the dad’s ear uncles and mothers And she’s on that sacred ground and now it’s a shame that they had to come to that But yeah, the pair made it, it was a big part of our work I was talking to Margaret lately and she said she used to get more tips and she did wages Imagine that in a pub You know, you’ve got a pocket, you’ve got a thousand pound there You could have an eye out on ten pounds You’ve got a thousand pound after being words ten weeks And it was not you know, every time you went to the bar Get us around and get you sent more And she told me, she said she used to pick up more money tips And wages, physical, for working in there And that’s how it was Yeah, there was a good part of the community And she’s a darling, isn’t she? Yeah, she’s about to own, she had us… Oh, you’re what? She’s coming this way, isn’t she? We had her in there last week and she had us in tears She’s dry, you know, the dry sense of humor She’s been there and done that She’s a have of information You know, there’s nothing she ain’t saying You know, and I remember a guy who worked with On The Dock He went missing for a while So I went in this pub on Spring Bank I said, you’ve seen out of my mate, so and so and so And the bam and went He’s knocked down there, so I don’t know where he is She said, what do you mean? He said, what is usually? He’s been there [laughter] He’s dead now, dead out, all You know, you mentioned that Benadorm and things What made a night out on Hazel Road different, would you say, to an out out elsewhere? Or is there a similar, like have you been out in other places saying the country that have been similar? Yeah, well it is the difference You know, I can go in town now, in moderation or all like that And the pub can be full, and you won’t know anybody Everybody’s strangers, when you’re walking a pub on Hazel Road You know, 90% of the people There’s always conversation There’s always, you know, Nantams out with 10, you’ve got to appreciate that There’s that bigger percentage of family in every pub You know, because like the hookers, the old married fishermen And you know, there was, you’d go in and you’d have a relation in a pub Because it was a community within a city That’s where it was And if I’m walking rainers now, I’ll know more people than I don’t know But if I go in town, it’s different It’s different depending on what pub you go in You can go in a pub and not see anybody from the sort of community, the industry And you’ve got to appreciate, I’ve done this for 12 years Besides being in the community as well But in a pub And you’ve got to appreciate and all now That we’re losing them every week, you know, we’ve lost a lot, a lot And in 20 years time, the war been our troll fishermen left in this city, I’ll tell ya Oh, can honestly say they’ve been on a trola and been in the community So that is the difference between on them sort of night’s hour That you could go out and you was guaranteed to have a good night with family and friends And that was the part of the love of the community That no matter what table you went and sat at Or where you stood at the bar, you knew somebody It was a part of the club, shall we say You know, where all members knew each other And you didn’t grow up and leave in school and go in the pub For so many months, you got to know everybody and the bar staff And, you know, I was talking to her, one of these bar staff And she says, “Oh, I said, you know, I bet you’ve seen some stuff in your time in pubs” She said, “Oh, we used to get the telephone call, he’s billin’ No, no, he’s not a yeah, he’s stood in front of her” And she says, “One day, she got some flowers arrived for one somebody in the pub” And it was from a guy who sat there with his wife to another woman in the pub [laughter] And this happened, you see, this happened And that’s the difference, you know, I can go in town sometimes And we go in Mother Racing, you don’t see anybody On, on Sunday, those loads, you know, I didn’t have all been to this service for the matching every And when we have our fish wheels, so we don’t have them often now Because we’ve lost that many people, but since we’ve been going 12 years We came up the first year, we said, right, we’re gonna have a fisherman’s reunion In rainers, and it was a sat day, a bank holiday sat day And when I arrived, I walked in rainers And I did a, I was stood in the middle of rainers and I did a lot, a 10 round like that, 360 I looked around and I thought, “Wow, I’ve had really created this” The place was full of everybody, oh, you know, fishing, oh, it’s still alive And we don’t have them so often now We’ll hopefully get one in August bank holidays this year And to see if, you know, they’re not very well attended now, because there’s nobody left And that’s the trouble, you know Yeah, it’s interesting to finish, just thinking Obviously rainers comes up an awful lot in conversation What do you think special about it for you? It’s the old, it’s the old girl of all the trolomon, you know, it’s the pub It’s the memories of the place, everything revolved around rainers I don’t know, for the record books, it was the longest barry, no lower Yorkshire or whatever at one time But everybody, you know, through the ages, used to place I have heard of a couple of Icelandic fishermen overlanding the city once I was in rainers, and they asked for a taxi And when they’re going the taxi, they wanted to go to St. Andrew’s Club Which was eight yards across the road That’s really, that’s the net But I’ve, you know, as a young fisherman, I’ve got the memory of the disco in there And I’ve used to go in the bar a lot When was that? Was that? Well, the bar was for all men, you know, that’s big like that for years, and it There, you know, the couples used to go in what they’re called a snug Because they were snugly, yeah, I don’t know if that’s right, but I used to be in the back of Rome in the disco But rainers is a very special pub and it always will be There was, about ten years ago, there was, there was saying it was going to close And my focus was on making it a museum, like we have sat in here now That would have been met in there, dealing with museum, you know, to what we’ve got now And it’s got premises above, and there’s boxing ring upon the third floor I think there was a kid’s boxing years ago there But it is, it’s a lovely place, and you know, you don’t have to go far to, once you mention rainers Because they’re called the guy who had it, Mr. Rainer And, you know, it’ll always be the same St. Andrew’s Club, which is across the road, is a garage, you know And as I say, a lot of the pubs along the Rabi Castle, all of them, they’ve all gone, you know, and It’s a shame, really, but there you go, a lot here used to be a good pub What a lot of fish in the UCO’s, D Street Club, that’s houses, you know Tim Brown’s, it was a betting office and a pub together It was a Snokey Hall upstairs, only one table, but it was nice And, you know, we had the Bingo, a big bango, that wasn’t ever rainers as well Halfway, subway club used to be on the bank, sad day near the tunnel, that was a good club And then, you know, it was like where I was bound on Charles Street That many pubs you couldn’t walk down the street and get drunk, you know, you’d get drunk, but you won’t make it all Because there’s not many pubs And rainers is well-famed, you don’t have to go far in the world and mention rainers Has it changed much to look at, like, in terms of… Oh, sad, no, where the big window is on the corner used to be the door Okay Yeah, no, it’s sad, and he’s an axed window in here That used to be the door for the bank, not the door you came from today And that was the same with rainers, but, uh, dealin’ you as I say We’re on about pouring a etch, you know, like, you get a picture, what’s etched in silver We’re on about pouring a picture in the memory of him, because he used it a lot, you know, to take a horse in there But I did hear a story, I said it was the same day I heard the story That was the first pub in England to take a thousand pound in one day And I have had stories that, when they throw them and strike was on, and all the ships was in part They had rollies full of beer, you know, the old brewery, orses, you also delivered a bit by us and cat And they used to be stood outside, queuing up to deliver beer, there was that much going out of the place And Pat, she’s a lovely lacerate, she’ll all scour it She has some events going on there, them drag queens and what have ya, and she has some good artists I don’t know if they have mediums, you know, which are more, I’m not a believer in light, but yeah, it’s… Is that quite a relatively new thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, well I’m not happy with that Because I can do that If I had an audience of people, and I’d say, right, I’ve got somebody called George Because George, 80 years ago, was an end, or Edward You know, you wouldn’t say I know somebody called Colin, or whatever, you know, Blick But, you know, and then what you do is, I’ve read books about this You get an audience of people gone, right, they’ve come to see if they can get in touch with a lacer Right, I’ve got somebody called Jane, and George, and Edward, and then you’ll see somebody in the crap Oh, that’s one George, then you’ll see and we go, and it’s coming from a warrior Right? So, did you know something, is it your brother and uncle? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah And the past, what was the past? It’s a year ago! [laughter] Yeah, I’m not a believer in it, you know, you’ll have to convince me But you know, these won’t think in common, they’re all dead [laughter] And I have heard a story Of this medium, I don’t know if it was America or wherever And obviously, you know, you’re booking, you know, to book to see them, they’ve got this address And she went knocked on the door, she said, “Can you help me? Me, Kaz, broken down, can I use your phone please?” And she went in, she looked around and saw a couple of pictures on the wall, you know, family And is that right? You’ve got family on the wall And I’m going to eat you, yeah, you know, a resect, she went knocked on the door And said, “I mean, Kaz brought down, it happened, it happened in real life, the suspect, you know what I mean?” And that’s, you know, I’m always cautious [laughter] Yeah, good, eh? But, Brilliant, thank you so much, that’s really helpful I’m just wandering those out there